• Schmoo@slrpnk.net
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    1 day ago

    Killing a leader doesn’t get rid of the position of power that enabled their misdeeds.

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      18 hours ago

      Killing people who keep abusing that position of power within an exact amount of time however would either get rid of the position or stop the abuse eventually.

      There’s only so many times a person in a very specific position can be struck by lightning or have a heart attack before everyone sees that position as cursed or becomes superstitious about it.

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        17 hours ago

        I mean, dictators have historically often met with a rather grisly end (Mussolini shot and hung upside down by his toes, Hitler blowing his own brains out, Gaddafi sodomized with a bayonet) and that doesn’t seem to stop people from pursuing the same power.

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          9 hours ago

          We’re talking year long consequences, after being in power for years. And then the next leader doesn’t meet said fate.

          Every month though? Different story. Especially if it’s something like getting struck by lightning

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          11 hours ago

          If all that happened in the same month I bet it would get some people talking tho.

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      1 day ago

      No, the position is occupied by the next monster. And so on. And so on. Dang, that’s such a nifty way of getting rid of sociopaths!

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        The entire theme of Death Note is that power turns people into sociopaths and that no matter how many “bad people” you kill you will never actually succeed in cleansing the world of evil, but I guess no matter how ham-fisted you make it people will still miss the point. It’s funny that a lot of people complain that Light has an unrealistically naive view of morality and yet this comment section seems to be teeming with people who are equally immature.

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          8 hours ago

          See the problem is Light didn’t use the thing correctly. He could have written, “while suffering from a massive stroke, Senator ___ voted to pass nationalized school lunch.” Sure, the killing people sounds fun, but it’s what they do while dying that could make the world a better place.

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            7 hours ago

            Problem is he completely lacked a systemic critique of society and fixated on crime, which he took for granted as the cause of all problems. For Light, all evil in the world comes down to individual moral failings, and by getting rid of the criminals he was eradicating evil.

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              Also doesn’t help that Light was a fucking vigilante legalist of all things, if he had an actual moral structure there’s a solid chance he wouldn’t have been noticed by L for ages if at all. Oh no the Atomwaffen all killed each other in unrelated news the entirety of house Al-Saud just dropped dead, how would you even track that.

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      1 day ago

      Eventually you run out of monsters to fill the position (and the supporting positions below). At that point you now have people willing to make positive changes in the world in positions of power

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        24 hours ago

        That is not how it works at all, and it’s actually a very childish way of thinking. There is not some finite pool of monsters these positions of power draw from, the positions of power make the monsters. “Power corrupts” is the most common trope in fiction since the advent of fiction for a reason and it’s baffling that so many people still don’t get it.

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          12 hours ago

          Insisting that tropes are universally true just because they’re repeated is absurd. It’s something a child would think up.

          Go look at history. There’s plenty of examples of people who do the right thing when in positions of power. This is because power doesn’t corrupt - it reveals who people truly are. It’s just that selfish people are more likely to seek out power for personal gain.