Context: He’s in the files

  • RustyShackleford@piefed.social
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    5 months ago

    Now, I’m speaking hypothetically, legally, and for educational purposes only… you fast-forward a few decades and suddenly certain names appear in court documents and flight logs, not convictions, not proof of wrongdoing, just… associations. Enough to make a careful chrononaut say, ‘You know what? I’m not popping back in time to shake hands and eat shrimp.’

    The absence at that party wasn’t evidence that time travel failed. It was evidence that it worked, and everyone who could come already knew how the story looked later.

    History doesn’t just judge actions. It judges proximity. And no self-respecting time traveler shows up early to something that turns awkward in hindsight.

    • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub
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      5 months ago

      More pragmatically, time travel for a casual party would be risky because you’re carrying germs many generations apart. Time travelers would wear full-body suits or risk dramatically altering history. They could not drink or eat anything.

      • RustyShackleford@piefed.social
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        5 months ago

        Finally. Thank you. Someone thinking past the punch bowl.

        Forget paradoxes, pathogens are the real problem. You don’t need to step on a butterfly to wreck the timeline; you just need a 21st-century rhinovirus and a handshake. Entire villages, gone. History rewritten by a sneeze.

        Any responsible time traveler would be sealed head to toe. No exposed skin, no shared air, no hors d’oeuvres. Certainly no cake. You don’t know what yeast does to medieval Europe when it’s had a few centuries of upgrades.

    • assembly@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      The issue for me is that, let’s say that one day a magical device does allow time travel, it would also have to do teleportation relative to some point since everything is in motion. What would all of time and space use for a relative location? Can’t be the earth or sun since those are moving. Even our galactic cluster is moving. So if you went back in time a year, the earth wouldn’t be at the same point in space even though it’s done a full revolution. I’m no space scientist but I don’t imagine we have a solution.

      • RustyShackleford@piefed.social
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        5 months ago

        That ‘everything’s moving’ argument is a convenient shutdown, not a dead end. We already track motion precisely, GPS corrects for relativity every second. That means relative positioning isn’t unsolved; it’s restricted.

        You wouldn’t target a spot in space. You’d target a worldline, like Earth’s continuous path through spacetime. Same path, different point.

        Saying you’d end up in empty space assumes a cartoon machine that only changes the date. A real device moves you along spacetime itself.

        So when people say time travel is impossible because there’s no reference frame, what they really mean is: you don’t have access to the frame that works. Not impossible. Classified.

  • protist@mander.xyz
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    5 months ago

    Is it because our solar system is hurdling through space at over 1.5 million miles per hour, so anyone who time travels will find themselves alone in an empty void?

    • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      There’s no universal frame of reference. Any theoretical time travel would likely need a beacon of some sort to calibrate their arrival point, meaning you couldn’t travel back beyond the point time travel was established.

      • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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        5 months ago

        That’s not really true. First, if you can invent time travel you can probably do the math to calculate positions of objects. Second, even if you do need a beacon, you could use something that already exists. For example, radio waves. Earth has been shooting off radio waves for a fair amount of time now. That could be used as a beacon. Also, you could do something like having your time machine do small jumps, check it’s relative position, then adjust. This would solve just about every issue.

        • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          5 months ago

          So you have no idea how time travel would work but youre certain that traveling through time will be simple heliocentric math and radio waves can be used as a beacon?

          • UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            5 months ago

            So if I was going to correct you by referencing the thermodynamic law that forbids “never stopping” but upon further inspection determined that was the joke in the first place, does that mean I have created an example of the zeroth law?

          • nymnympseudonym@piefed.social
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            5 months ago

            thermogoddamics

            Bless you for furthering this meme

            Arbeit macht Frei… but also, Arbeit is the energy transfer that occurs when a force is applied to move an object over a distance