• Dippy@beehaw.org
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      4 days ago

      Why is theory so dense??? I cant even comprehend the Wikipedia summary of this lmao (im not asking for a rephrase).

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        Sometimes we use technical jargon to say something that we later realize is fairly simple. It might be obvious in retrospect, but still require thousands of years to understand, during which time the technical language is essential.

        Anyway, other times we just need new words for new concepts. You can’t contemplate what you cannot name. Even the smartest humans are stupid by default and ordinary language is outstripped by our intellectual ambitions.

      • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        If you’re from the US, much of the vocabulary is unfamiliar because education on these concepts is intentionally avoided in public schools. I can’t imagine why…

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              I learned all of those from my small town USA education.

              Then I learned about them in social studies classes in middle school.

              Then I learned about the American form of democracy in a civics class. Which is where my understanding of its failures were formed, even before it had the ability to show my adult self

              Then I was allowed to choose a number of elective courses in high school where I studied European history and post enlightenment political theory.

              We even covered Marx and Engels.

              Weird.

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                  Yeah but, which part exactly should I not understand because of my American education?

                  So you’re not talking about Marx and Engels, but you are somehow talking about socialism AND scientific socialism no less?

                  You wanna take some time to gather your thoughts first?

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                    You wanna take some time to gather your thoughts first?

                    Either you’re quite condescending or there is some confusion here. I’m going to assume it’s the latter; if it’s the former, well… life is an adventure.

                    Yeah but, which part exactly should I not understand because of my American education?

                    I’m not referring to you in my original comment[1](https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/20221397), but to the person to whose comment I’m responding.

                    So you’re not talking about Marx and Engels, but you are somehow talking about socialism AND scientific socialism no less?

                    The vocabulary I said I wasn’t referring to is the list of terms provided by Prole[2](https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/20225314) in response to your question[3](https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/20225057). My original comment was offhand, not intended to be a detailed analysis, so their response was assumptive. I’m familiar with the user and they’re good people, so I’m sure it was in good faith.

                    To answer your original question, here are specific terms in the Wikipedia article[4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism) I would suggest are not covered in US public education with sufficient depth or frequency to give the average citizen the functional vocabulary necessary to fully understand the article without significant further reading. I.e., most Americans would be unable to provide even a basic (correct) definition if asked.

                    Materialism
                    Historical materialism
                    Dialectical materialism
                    Utopian socialism
                    Scientific government/Technocracy(though briefly described in line)
                    Classical liberalism
                    Marxism

                    And by extension…

                    Scientific socialism

                    The United States ranks 36th in the world for population literacy, with 54% of Americans reading below a 6th-grade proficiency level and 21% being functionally illiterate[5](https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-literacy-statistics), so I’m pretty comfortable with my suggestion but am willing to be convinced otherwise.

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          New concepts require new words. They also relate to each other in interesting ways, which have names, too.

          Alternatively, if I ever wanted to assert something more complicated than the weather I’d need to re-build the entire conceptual framework from scratch using small words and pictures.