something about Japanese burger photography I think

also shakespeare is incredibly specific. the example I like to use is the famous

“Friends, Romans, Countrymen, Lend me your ears!”

Which takes place in a crowded marketplace.

Count the syllables: 1 (friends), 2, (romans), 3 (countrymen), 4 (lend me your ears)

it’s a line in which the meter matches the intent - attracting attention in a big group.

Bill will also often add an eleventh unstressed syllable to his dialogue lines if he wants a character to seem vulnerable or weak, indicating they have fallen off meter because of their inner thoughts

very occasionally he does an eleventh STRESSED syllable when a character is being especially dominating and murderous.

The other famous examples is when a peasant or very low status character speaks, it won’t be in verse at all, but plain prose.

it’s not that it’s not “math” it’s that the process by which we derive and conceptualize math may be alien to other consciousnesses.

we already have similar things like 0.999… = 1, or algebra, or base 10 v base 16 v base 2… is it so hard to conceive a race with different perception organs, a different “brain” that doesn’t look or function like ours, maybe non-carbon-based would operate in a way that is entirely alien?

Consider how from 400 BC to 1800 AD disease was spread by “miasma” and 20,000 years ago it wasn’t spread by “anything” because we didn’t have a framework or concept of the idea of disease transmission. Consider how before we went to space we thought there was “aether” outside the atmosphere, and before that it was “quinessetence” and before that it was a God or a celestial beetle or whatever…

Are we so bold as to claim that our grasp on what numbers are and their relation to the universe won’t change as much in another 2,000 years, or 20,000?

I guess I’m just saying we don’t know that for sure. We don’t even really know if lobsters or mushrooms or trees “experience” time. We know shrimps probably experience colors we can’t conceive of, it’s not that far removes from reality.

we did it without what loosely translates as blarglsnargling and they are equally confused as to how we did it. The downside to our approach being pollution of our air, the downside to their approach being pollution of their planet’s crust. Both of which would be catastrophic if occurred in each other’s ecosystem but is a mild irritant heading towards and eventual catastrophe for each respective society.

I mean this is all a hypothetical, so let me throw some blockers at you:

They don’t distinguish between wave and not-wave, assuming they dont have a Lacanian concept of language and their pre-language concept of what we would call a wave is actually the average distance from the bottom of the ocean in an arbitrary field of qualia whereby they average out “extended” phenomena from an “unextended” experience of the average of the different forms of background radiation.

In which case they couldn’t count a planet rotation and have no concept of counting or rotation but would express it instead as an average speed and direction in relation to the absorbed radiation of different astral and planetary (by which I mean “terrestrial” for lack of a better word when not talking about our planet) bodies? So what is a year to us is a limitless expression of the average rate of change of the comparative rate of radiation from the nearest star and the largest vent in the bottom of their ocean? They express this by making parts of their carapace emit different strengths of radiation in different directions. Would we even know to call those emissions a language?

edit: to make it even harder, maybe there’s a way to experience a qualia of alpha radiation to them that for them is as different as the words “because” and “apple”, but to us is two identical blasts of alpha radiation because we don’t even know how to sense the differences that are there because to us they don’t even exist?

there’d a big difference between experiencing a force and describing it though. Imagine attempting to describe proprioception to a race of spherical beings with no sense of touch.

what if they don’t have the concept of atomic concepts: there’s no such thing as “one” because everything can be divided, until you reach wave/particle duality in which case there’s no singular state anyway? There’s no such thing as “two” because there can be no dividing line between phenomena that have no external nor internal boundaries? What if they cannot see or hear but use other senses we have no names for? What if they are a hive mind and don’t predate and thus have no concept of consent or denial/acceptance, and thus no concept of yes/no?

Je suis anglais. But also I was trying to keep the catchphrase intact.

Ils sont fous, ces Française.

and that coolant mass’ name?

engineer: what about a wall instead of a door?